Club Mikado Logo 600!!

[rigo16]

Originalmente inviato da RRRappy50

Benvegnutos!!!
Mi sa che l'helyjive 80 hv non esiste...

Il jive 80 + hv si....

Ciao.

L'HELIJIVE c'è...non so se esista anche l'80 oltre al 120 e se sia gia' uscito...ma credo di si!

Comunque se vi puo' interessare vi riporto cio' che mi scrisse Kontronik:

"Differences POWERJIVE vs. HELI JIVE
The KONTRONIK HELI JIVE has been optimized for model helicopters. Other
applications are generally possible but not recommended. For standard applications
the standard JIVE/POWERJIVE ESC is recommended.
Due to new features of the HELI JIVE some former features had to skipped or
adjusted (e.g. mode programming). Also, a third virtual PROGCARD III had to
implemented on the PROGDISC to adjust new parameters. In contrast, HELI JIVEs
do not support PROGCARD I any longer.
Some standard parameters, which had been loaded during mode programming have
been modified for helicopter models. Also, the HELI JIVE is no longer supporting
NiCd and NiMH battery packs.
A completely new feature is the autorotation. This allows pilots to restart the rotor
after an autorotation with a shorter spool up time.
The HELI JIVE is characterized by a small but crucial internal hard ware change. This
makes a software update from POWERJIVE to HELI JIVE impossible. To use all
features of the HELI JIVE a PROGDISC is necessary.
Available modes for HELI JIVE
1. Reset/APM
This mode generally coincides with the former APM mode with individual
parameters being optimized for helicopter pilots. If this mode is selected all
parameters of the HELI JIVE are being reset to factory settings.
2. Motor (Gas mode)
This mode is characterized by fixed-throttle operation over the complete speed
but with longer spool up times that in fixed wing flying.
3. Combination
The new combination mode 3 is characterized by mixed operation. Via virtual
PROGCARD III settings a percentage of throttle way can be set. Until this
percentage (X%) the HELI JIVE operates with fixed-throttle control (gas mode).
From X% to X% + 16% the fixed-throttle control merges into governor. From
throttle position X% + 16% the HELI JIVE operates completely in governor mode.
In this mode, like in former mode 11 the ESC is learning a fixed RPM. The
necessary calibration happens as soon as the throttle reaches position X for the
first time. This mode allows to fly low RPM figures in gas mode and higher RPM
figures in governor. Especially F3C pilots should be interested in this mode.
4. Heli mode
Mode 4 is the former heli mode 4 and has been adopted unchanged.
5. Continuous RPM control
In contrast to mode 4 the pilot can choose speed values smaller than 50%. The
governor is active during complete operation.
6. KSA
Identical to former mode 10.
Description of autorotation
The autorotation allows the motor to spool up in a shorter time to higher RPM. This
allows for abrupt interception manoeuvres. The spool up time in autorotation mode is
depended on the set RPM spool up time and is 1/6 of this value. If a general spool up
time of 12 seconds is set, in autorotation mode the spool up time is now 2 seconds.
Autorotation has to be activated via PROGCARD III and Full Speed, Motor-Off and
Brake positions have to be set. The autorotation spool up time is activated if the pilot
moves the throttle from Motor-On position to Motor-Off position. Next spool up will be
with autorotation values. Autorotation is deactivated after 1/3 of the set spool up time.
For a 12 seconds spool up time it means that autorotation is deactivated after 4
seconds motor-off time.
If this quick spool up is not wanted, the throttle has to be in Brake Position.
Autorotation will be deactivated for the next one motor spool up. Due to security
considerations the quick spool up will also be deactivated for the next one spool up, if
the throttle is in Motor-Off position for more than 15 seconds."

[aLVIN]

Originalmente inviato da RRRappy50

Benvegnutos!!!
Mi sa che l'helyjive 80 hv non esiste...

Il jive 80 + hv si....

Ciao.

Ciao,
colpa del "copia incolla" ...il mio è un Jive 80 Hv(non sono sicuro del +, quindi evito di metterlo )...per Hely :

sorry

[aLVIN]

Originalmente inviato da rigo16

L'HELIJIVE c'è...non so se esista anche l'80 oltre al 120 e se sia gia' uscito...ma credo di si!

Comunque se vi puo' interessare vi riporto cio' che mi scrisse Kontronik:

"Differences POWERJIVE vs. HELI JIVE
The KONTRONIK HELI JIVE has been optimized for model helicopters. Other
applications are generally possible but not recommended. For standard applications
the standard JIVE/POWERJIVE ESC is recommended.
Due to new features of the HELI JIVE some former features had to skipped or
adjusted (e.g. mode programming). Also, a third virtual PROGCARD III had to
implemented on the PROGDISC to adjust new parameters. In contrast, HELI JIVEs
do not support PROGCARD I any longer.
Some standard parameters, which had been loaded during mode programming have
been modified for helicopter models. Also, the HELI JIVE is no longer supporting
NiCd and NiMH battery packs.
A completely new feature is the autorotation. This allows pilots to restart the rotor
after an autorotation with a shorter spool up time.
The HELI JIVE is characterized by a small but crucial internal hard ware change. This
makes a software update from POWERJIVE to HELI JIVE impossible. To use all
features of the HELI JIVE a PROGDISC is necessary.
Available modes for HELI JIVE
1. Reset/APM
This mode generally coincides with the former APM mode with individual
parameters being optimized for helicopter pilots. If this mode is selected all
parameters of the HELI JIVE are being reset to factory settings.
2. Motor (Gas mode)
This mode is characterized by fixed-throttle operation over the complete speed
but with longer spool up times that in fixed wing flying.
3. Combination
The new combination mode 3 is characterized by mixed operation. Via virtual
PROGCARD III settings a percentage of throttle way can be set. Until this
percentage (X%) the HELI JIVE operates with fixed-throttle control (gas mode).
From X% to X% + 16% the fixed-throttle control merges into governor. From
throttle position X% + 16% the HELI JIVE operates completely in governor mode.
In this mode, like in former mode 11 the ESC is learning a fixed RPM. The
necessary calibration happens as soon as the throttle reaches position X for the
first time. This mode allows to fly low RPM figures in gas mode and higher RPM
figures in governor. Especially F3C pilots should be interested in this mode.
4. Heli mode
Mode 4 is the former heli mode 4 and has been adopted unchanged.
5. Continuous RPM control
In contrast to mode 4 the pilot can choose speed values smaller than 50%. The
governor is active during complete operation.
6. KSA
Identical to former mode 10.
Description of autorotation
The autorotation allows the motor to spool up in a shorter time to higher RPM. This
allows for abrupt interception manoeuvres. The spool up time in autorotation mode is
depended on the set RPM spool up time and is 1/6 of this value. If a general spool up
time of 12 seconds is set, in autorotation mode the spool up time is now 2 seconds.
Autorotation has to be activated via PROGCARD III and Full Speed, Motor-Off and
Brake positions have to be set. The autorotation spool up time is activated if the pilot
moves the throttle from Motor-On position to Motor-Off position. Next spool up will be
with autorotation values. Autorotation is deactivated after 1/3 of the set spool up time.
For a 12 seconds spool up time it means that autorotation is deactivated after 4
seconds motor-off time.
If this quick spool up is not wanted, the throttle has to be in Brake Position.
Autorotation will be deactivated for the next one motor spool up. Due to security
considerations the quick spool up will also be deactivated for the next one spool up, if
the throttle is in Motor-Off position for more than 15 seconds."

...non sapevo di questa versione specifica, credevo si trattasse solamente del mode in programmazione

ciao e grazie ancora!

p.s.
comunque ho utilizzato quello che avevo

[RRRappy50]

Helyjive 120 Hv lo so,ma non 80,,, avevo aperto un 3ad sulla questione...

[rigo16]

Originalmente inviato da RRRappy50

Helyjive 120 Hv lo so,ma non 80,,, avevo aperto un 3ad sulla questione...

ok

[cico72]

scusate se vado fuori un momento dal tema,io ho acquistato ieri il mio primo logo 500 se,e mi sembra un ottimo heli,questo aun telaio carbon della kaos,lo conoscete?io purtroppo non ho quello in plastica da fare confronti,ma questo senbra molto leggero e rigido.ora un consiglio,visto che questo lo vorrei fare al top,e monta gia un kontronik tango 45-10,mi consigliate un buon regolatore da abbinare.altra cosa monta il v bar 4.0 con scatola nera,posso aggiornarlo?.ora mi sto guardando in giro,sulla rete per i manuali,visto che mi e stato dato senza,ed e il mio primo v bar,e mikado,ma ne sono molto entusiasta,se avete consigli su pale e palini sono tutte orecchie,o vari setaggi,inclusi manuali.ora devo farti i conplimenti perche esteticamente il 600 e stupendo con il frame in carbon,e sicuramente volera da paura,poi se posso con la poca esperienza che ho con i mikado,vorrei dire la mia, possiedo un 600 t rex gf modificato ormai ovunque,che vola molto bene,ma senpre modificato,quindi non credo che ci sia tanto da polemizzare,son pochi i modelli che escono perfetti di scatola,qualche problemino ce senpre,l'inportante e che siano risolvibili,e che il modello voli bene,poi il modellismo e anche questo ho no!.
certo alcuni errori sembrano assurdi,e costruire un telaio che alloggi solo jr mi senbra,una cazz io con futaba non ho mai avuto un problema,mentre con jr qualcuno si,ma forse questione di sfiga.che ne pensate dei savox per il piatto.

[alle180972]

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[cico72]

Scusate il mess e stato spostato

[cico72]

il post mi e stato spostato,ma le domande rimangono,e il mio primo v bar aiiiiiiiiuuuuuutttttoooo.

[mecosub]

anche io sono un felice possessore del mostro ( logo 600 )
per me il piu' performante in assoluto ma anche il piu costoso